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Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: Guaton on June 06, 2011, 04:35 PM
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lmfao , seriously? that is a f@#!ing macro ffs , how the hell do TuS alow this ... no proofs? sorry but i have to lol
someone from here should ask for video or something from ppl who says he does fr ... im willing to stop playing tus (single/clanner) until i comeback to my house and upload a f@#!ing video...
and yes random , that t thing was f@#!ing annoying xDDD
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https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-59670/
Wellcome to the SnipeR's hater club.
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thank you very much, im glad being part of that club , cheater
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map whoring and cheating, that's srsly not so cool.
any consequences? :d
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AUHiahIUAHiuahiUaAIuahiHAU!!!
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map whoring and cheating, that's srsly not so cool.
any consequences? :d
I use to play this map because is the unique that i rememb the numb when i'm hosting by Hosting Buddy, i can't join/host normal hosts thats fkng weird...
Too lazy to go wmdb and search some rr map.
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YA SURE THATS HOW U ROPE ! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Taps don't look any different from zippo's or numerous other so called fr'rs to me . . . . .
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Taps don't look any different from zippo's or numerous other so called fr'rs to me . . . . .
I use the same AutoHotkey script as him.
Zippo was tired of showing how it works, if ppl want i can attach
here again.
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as I have already read hotkey is program which allows you to make macros, and macros are cheats 8)
anyway I use fr much longer than you are in worms world and I use one of the best kbs, so I can say that your taps are at least... hard to get? rofl
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as I have already read hotkey is program which allows you to make macros, and macros are cheats 8)
anyway I use fr much longer than you are in worms world and I use one of the best kbs, so I can say that your taps are at least... hard to get? rofl
That is exactly how I feel about 1 finger tapping and about people who fr :P Believe me, it took me a lot longer to be able to tap fast and get timing with 1 finger then it did you to learn to fr. If it was easy to tap fast with 1 finger then there would be no fr. You took the easy way to get fast taps and you are accusing him of using a even faster way and mad because he has faster taps then you! lol
You use a program to use two keys as 2 spaces so that you can tap faster than you can with one space, you are accusing him of using a program to allow him to tap faster then using 1 space . . . I really don't see the big deal . . . . like Crazy said it won't help him win games so who cares.
You want to ban programs then ban all programs including programs that allow you to have 2 spacebars. No one has a problem with people who fr with programs to get 2 spaces for fast taps so why get mad at someone else who uses a program to get fast taps.
If the fast tapping is giving him an advantage then I don't see why fr would be legal either. If neither are giving the person an advantage then who cares and have fun.
Maybe now you understand why I hated on fr in the past. It sucks when someone uses programs to get faster taps then you doesn't it ;D ;D ;D ;D
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as I have already read hotkey is program which allows you to make macros, and macros are cheats 8)
I didn't know for me is a simple remap, i just open my .exe file that zippo sent me and play.
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as I have already read hotkey is program which allows you to make macros, and macros are cheats 8)
I didn't know for me is a simple remap, i just open my .exe file that zippo sent me and play.
Yea what sniper is trying to say is that he has a script that remaps 2 keys to work as 2 spaces not a script that makes 1 key multiple spaces ;D
aew muito bebe amigo
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@ Dub
I started fr only for show, because I really liked fast tap by m0nk on wwp, I found it as a nice way, new option, and really hard technique, something I wanted to try, and thought it would make me better
Now I would lose time again to back to tapping with one finger, so I simply won't :) but imo with 1 finger you get better control and you don't need long time to come back in case of break
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What ever makes you happy man ;D You know my opinion ;)
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as I have already read hotkey is program which allows you to make macros, and macros are cheats 8)
I didn't know for me is a simple remap, i just open my .exe file that zippo sent me and play.
Yea what sniper is trying to say is that he has a script that remaps 2 keys to work as 2 spaces not a script that makes 1 key multiple spaces ;D
aew muito bebe amigo
Yes amigo. ^^
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as I have already read hotkey is program which allows you to make macros, and macros are cheats 8)
I didn't know for me is a simple remap, i just open my .exe file that zippo sent me and play.
Yea what sniper is trying to say is that he has a script that remaps 2 keys to work as 2 spaces not a script that makes 1 key multiple spaces ;D
aew muito bebe amigo
that is what AHK is capable of
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Sniper u press 2 space in the same time for tap so fat? ops fast sry
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Yes.
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Can u attach here the script i want try it ;O
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looool i tried that , and my taps are faster xDDDDDD it feels rly weird
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looool i tried that , and my taps are faster xDDDDDD it feels rly weird
hahaauhye nahh change nothing is just an simple remap :}
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Wow @ thought bubbles ;O
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looool i tried that , and my taps are faster xDDDDDD it feels rly weird
iUAHiauh nt ae.
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looool i tried that , and my taps are faster xDDDDDD it feels rly weird
iUAHiauh nt ae.
Sniper u know that script dont only remap the keys, but do another thing to the keys?. Can u explain it pls.
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I don't know how it workz, for me is a simple remap, ask Zippo.
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I don't know how it workz, for me is a simple remap, ask Zippo.
HEEHEHEHEEHEHEHE ye ask zippo indeed lmfao
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my taps are faster , sniper's nt does mean nothing , i play with my spacebar so i must wait a bit for my second finger , with this is diferent , its just .. press , no need to wait , it doesnt even give keylock lol
it has ctrl , windows key, alt , space and altgr as space lol
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lol at the video that uploaded sniper.
1. The nick of uploader is xxxxxxxxxxxx97, it says alot.
2. You pressing Windows key (minimizing) for taps?? rofl wtf. its like open replay with some fr tap, press minimize and made video
3. And why so bad ropin in video? You have better controling in tight ttrr then in wxw map :-X
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AUHUAH i don't care about u and all thinks, juz analyze first and after say
something. ;)
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lol at the video that uploaded sniper.
1. The nick of uploader is xxxxxxxxxxxx97, it says alot.
2. You pressing Windows key (minimizing) for taps?? rofl wtf. its like open replay with some fr tap, press minimize and made video
3. And why so bad ropin in video? You have better controling in tight ttrr then in wxw map :-X
1 - WallisonCamargo97
2 - Here the game never minimize.
3 - Old video when i'm learning how to fr.
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3 - Old video when i'm learning how to fr.
How to fake fr. Dude imo thats cheat and ill hope u zippo and company will be banned and deleted ur league stats. That is what is coming for ya.
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windows key in usually kbs work wierder then latter-keys, where the reason..
Hm, you now like 9 years old, your video is "old, Im learning how to fr" so you should be 7 years in this video, but monitor is mirror, and you looks like 50 years..
why when..
Its okay, to be gay. (c)
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This is the code of the file, and no, it's not a simple remap.
A simple remap would be like the bottom where it shows:
Rcontrol::F8
RShift::F5
this code seems to imply that it artificially removes delays between key presses.
you could just mash your head on CTRL/ALT/Win and it would look like perfect taps.
; <COMPILER: v1.0.47.6>
#SingleInstance
#NoEnv
#MaxHotkeysPerInterval 600
#InstallKeybdHook
SendMode Input
SetWorkingDir %A_ScriptDir%
Tap1 := 0
Tap2 := 0
delay := 10
#IfWinActive Worms2D
~Numpad9::
Suspend, permit
if A_IsSuspended
Suspend, off
return
~Numpad6::
if not A_IsSuspended
Suspend, on
return
$*AppsKey::Enter
*LWIN::
if Tap1 = 1
return
Tap1 := 1
send {Space up}
send {Space down}
return
*LWIN Up::
Tap1 := 0
sleep, delay
if (Tap2 = 0 && Tap1 = 0)
send {Space up}
return
*Alt::
if Tap2 = 1
return
Tap2 := 1
send {Space up}
send {Space down}
return
*Alt Up::
Tap2 := 0
sleep, delay
if (Tap2 = 0 && Tap1 = 0)
send {Space up}
return
*Control::
if Tap2 = 1
return
Tap2 := 1
send {Space up}
send {Space down}
return
*Control Up::
Tap2 := 0
sleep, delay
if (Tap2 = 0 && Tap1 = 0)
send {Space up}
return
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Rcontrol::F8
RShift::F5
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This is the code of the file, and no, it's not a simple remap.
A simple remap would be like the bottom where it shows:
Rcontrol::F8
RShift::F5
this code seems to imply that it artificially removes delays between key presses.
you could just mash your head on CTRL/ALT/Win and it would look like perfect taps.
; <COMPILER: v1.0.47.6>
#SingleInstance
#NoEnv
#MaxHotkeysPerInterval 600
#InstallKeybdHook
SendMode Input
SetWorkingDir %A_ScriptDir%
Tap1 := 0
Tap2 := 0
delay := 10
#IfWinActive Worms2D
~Numpad9::
Suspend, permit
if A_IsSuspended
Suspend, off
return
~Numpad6::
if not A_IsSuspended
Suspend, on
return
$*AppsKey::Enter
*LWIN::
if Tap1 = 1
return
Tap1 := 1
send {Space up}
send {Space down}
return
*LWIN Up::
Tap1 := 0
sleep, delay
if (Tap2 = 0 && Tap1 = 0)
send {Space up}
return
*Alt::
if Tap2 = 1
return
Tap2 := 1
send {Space up}
send {Space down}
return
*Alt Up::
Tap2 := 0
sleep, delay
if (Tap2 = 0 && Tap1 = 0)
send {Space up}
return
*Control::
if Tap2 = 1
return
Tap2 := 1
send {Space up}
send {Space down}
return
*Control Up::
Tap2 := 0
sleep, delay
if (Tap2 = 0 && Tap1 = 0)
send {Space up}
return
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Rcontrol::F8
RShift::F5
Well, i don't understand what are these codes, just say if it's cheat or not ?
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I'd say it's cheat, yea, since it's not a simple remap.
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Are u serious ?
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I'd say it's cheat, yea, since it's not a simple remap.
so, having a kb witch turns off delay is cheating as well?
serly guys, where is the point here? anyone plays howwever wants. If he wants play fr'ing its his deal.
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I'd say it's cheat, yea, since it's not a simple remap.
so, having a kb witch turns off delay is cheating as well?
serly guys, where is the point here? anyone plays howwever wants. If he wants play fr'ing its his deal.
Another one that use this shit script. The point is that, this script is the best lame way for cheat. You and others players know well.... Now we will se what the community will decide about this.
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I rather using a script instead wasting my money on a good kb... and its my deal.
I dont care what all comunity thinks about, its my way 2 have fun. and yours? insulting everyone who uses script?
Im not here 2 argue, angus. Im just saying my opnion.
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Anyone with some actual knowledge explain what the script does please? :P
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It remaps keys, and turnoff delay
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I've not heard of keyboard delay before. What does it mean exactly?
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Try remap 2 keys ex: (z) and (x), put one map, shot the rope with (z) keep it pressed!
now try to leave the rope with (x) ...... nothing will happened.... now do another tap with (x) (u must keep (z) pressed for all the time) now the rope is leave.
with that script u have no delay from the keys so you need just one tap for leave the rope, not another one for delete the delay..... get it? : p
Zippo and im sure some old players cheated to us all the time with this script.
Bang!
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i love elite.
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Ahh ok.
So does this script make anyone who uses it become a better roper? No. But it looks like an average / good roper could practice with it and find ways to take advantage of it. I mean, if it didn't help then why would these people use it. In the right hands this could be classed as a cheat.
The most important thing though is how uncool is it to use a script.
No one can take a roper seriously if they use a script. Any win instantly becomes less credible if a script was used and it's not nice for the opponent either.
Why would someone want to take away all respect for them by using 'stabalisers' for their roping?
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I dont wanna respect for my playing, I just wanna respect for my spirit
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XD
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What I got out of this thread is:
I'm using fr on 2 spaces with Intes Keychange, a widely known remap tool in our community. If I happen to press my 2nd space while the 1st one is still being pressed, nothing would happen. I've trained fr for years to get this timing right and I still have a fail tap in ocassionally.
SnipeR is using fr on multiple spaces with this AHK script. He doesn't have to worry about the timing with his fingers because the script sets the delay of his spaces to 0 upon pressing (not releasing!) either of the space keys. So his taps are much more reliable with a lot less effort.
So personally I'd call this script a cheat.
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What I got out of this thread is:
I'm using fr on 2 spaces with Intes Keychange, a widely known remap tool in our community. If I happen to press my 2nd space while the 1st one is still being pressed, nothing would happen. I've trained fr for years to get this timing right and I still have a fail tap in ocassionally.
SnipeR is using fr on multiple spaces with this AHK script. He doesn't have to worry about the timing with his fingers because the script sets the delay of his spaces to 0 upon pressing (not releasing!) either of the space keys. So his taps are much more reliable with a lot less effort.
So personally I'd call this script a cheat.
I agree with you in 100%
applaud!
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rofl, I have already read how it works! I will check it at home yet buahahaha
Camper, even best kb (like mine on which I wasted a lot of money) doesn't take off the delay you are talking about here! It's simply cheat!
While I have to concentrate at my taps, to not make any mistake by pressing 2 spaces at once (other way I fall because it doesn't react, or I don't leave the rope while shadow), train my taming for all hours long, he just presses 3 spaces like mad.
Where is the logic? Where is the timing arrows - space? It's clearly cheat because makes your roping easier, and I will check it really guys, should be today later at home so be sure! xD
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Anyone with some actual knowledge explain what the script does please? :P
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
This script is like drugs in cycling`s Tour de France! We must fight it, but every year there is some new things hard to discover
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I have tested it, while doing a 2 Finger FR it doesn't do anything since I have them timed very well. One goes up, one goes down etc.
While doing a 3 Finger FR you will see a little impact, it depends on your timing that you had before, I for example can time my 3 Finger FR pretty good cause I play guitar, but not perfect since I preferred 2 Finger FR in W:A for years now. Well and 4 Finger FR you will notice it a lot. I couldn't try 5 Finger cause well... ctrl, windows, alt and then spacebar is workable. Can't quite reach alt gr though. xD
If it's cheat or not?! I don't know, it removes the technical delay which is removed in other games anyway. W:A is an old game and things like this are pretty normal in current games that you can perform the same action even if you have still a certain key pressed down mapped with the same action. (3D Ego Shooter, MMORPG, 3D Strategy games etc)
If it would be patched into W:A by Cybershadow it would probably be awesome, remember it's not like you press space and get 2 or 3 space bar presses out of it. Every press is done by the human, nothing is multiplied by any external program. It's just more accurate. I had a long discussion with DarK about this already (who showed me this) and it's probably more of a morale decision than an actual definition of cheating.
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This really goes beyond the bounds of any kbs; since every kb has some kind of debouncing mechanism and some delay, it should be considered a cheat. I don't think CS should include something like this since it makes fr more challenging, and doesn't bode well with the history of WA. Personally I'd like to codify a set of rules for kb usage in WA so people stop coming up with questionable ideas like this.
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ahh this is thät dämn crap script and i know that there r more ppl who uses this shit rofl. now i know why some guys know nothing about timing and never miss taps jaja
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This really goes beyond the bounds of any kbs; since every kb has some kind of debouncing mechanism and some delay, it should be considered a cheat. I don't think CS should include something like this since it makes fr more challenging, and doesn't bode well with the history of WA. Personally I'd like to codify a set of rules for kb usage in WA so people stop coming up with questionable ideas like this.
Cody, most modern keyboards have a very short debouncing mechanism, in fact there are already keyboards similiar to touchscreens where you just need to touch instead of pressing. We ain't living in the 90's anymore with huge keyboards that weight 10kilogram. I highly doubt an input device such as a keyboard can be classified as no-cheat/cheat depending on it's delay or debouncing. Sure this script does go a little too far, but as I said already this is a pretty common feature of modern games and W:A is just lacking it just how W:A was lacking high resolution back then or was (I think) limited to 30fps.
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(http://cache.gizmodo.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/optitact-side.jpg)
(http://cdn.ubergizmo.com/photos/2007/6/amex-touch-kb.jpg)
They are expansive but they are the most accurate keyboards that you can get. Though it will take some time to make them viable for normal customers but this will be the future so better practice now or be too late! ;)
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I have tested it, while doing a 2 Finger FR it doesn't do anything since I have them timed very well. One goes up, one goes down etc.
While doing a 3 Finger FR you will see a little impact, it depends on your timing that you had before, I for example can time my 3 Finger FR pretty good cause I play guitar, but not perfect since I preferred 2 Finger FR in W:A for years now. Well and 4 Finger FR you will notice it a lot. I couldn't try 5 Finger cause well... ctrl, windows, alt and then spacebar is workable. Can't quite reach alt gr though. xD
If it's cheat or not?! I don't know, it removes the technical delay which is removed in other games anyway. W:A is an old game and things like this are pretty normal in current games that you can perform the same action even if you have still a certain key pressed down mapped with the same action. (3D Ego Shooter, MMORPG, 3D Strategy games etc)
If it would be patched into W:A by Cybershadow it would probably be awesome, remember it's not like you press space and get 2 or 3 space bar presses out of it. Every press is done by the human, nothing is multiplied by any external program. It's just more accurate. I had a long discussion with DarK about this already (who showed me this) and it's probably more of a morale decision than an actual definition of cheating.
::)
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I'd say it's cheat, yea, since it's not a simple remap.
so, having a kb witch turns off delay is cheating as well?
serly guys, where is the point here? anyone plays howwever wants. If he wants play fr'ing its his deal.
good timing with spaces is the hardest thing with fr and now this script makes it by itself lol.. i tried this script for few mins and i missed 0 taps and i even used different fingers than normally. it makes fr so much easier and scrolling felt alot easier etc. wut is the kb which turns that delay off?...
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This is the code of the file, and no, it's not a simple remap.
A simple remap would be like the bottom where it shows:
Rcontrol::F8
RShift::F5
this code seems to imply that it artificially removes delays between key presses.
you could just mash your head on CTRL/ALT/Win and it would look like perfect taps.
Well, i don't understand what are these codes, just say if it's cheat or not ?
I'd say it's cheat, yea, since it's not a simple remap.
Are u serious ?
Doc. - When you fk girls - ok, boys - you gay.
Mr. - I dont undestad what it means, just tell me, Im gay?
Doc. - Yes, you are, since you start to fk boys.
Mr. - Are u serious?
I remember it from 1 magazine
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Can anybody upload it again? He removed this shit, and I just wanted to check it ::)
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This is the code of the file, and no, it's not a simple remap.
A simple remap would be like the bottom where it shows:
Rcontrol::F8
RShift::F5
this code seems to imply that it artificially removes delays between key presses.
you could just mash your head on CTRL/ALT/Win and it would look like perfect taps.
; <COMPILER: v1.0.47.6>
#SingleInstance
#NoEnv
#MaxHotkeysPerInterval 600
#InstallKeybdHook
SendMode Input
SetWorkingDir %A_ScriptDir%
Tap1 := 0
Tap2 := 0
delay := 10
#IfWinActive Worms2D
~Numpad9::
Suspend, permit
if A_IsSuspended
Suspend, off
return
~Numpad6::
if not A_IsSuspended
Suspend, on
return
$*AppsKey::Enter
*LWIN::
if Tap1 = 1
return
Tap1 := 1
send {Space up}
send {Space down}
return
*LWIN Up::
Tap1 := 0
sleep, delay
if (Tap2 = 0 && Tap1 = 0)
send {Space up}
return
*Alt::
if Tap2 = 1
return
Tap2 := 1
send {Space up}
send {Space down}
return
*Alt Up::
Tap2 := 0
sleep, delay
if (Tap2 = 0 && Tap1 = 0)
send {Space up}
return
*Control::
if Tap2 = 1
return
Tap2 := 1
send {Space up}
send {Space down}
return
*Control Up::
Tap2 := 0
sleep, delay
if (Tap2 = 0 && Tap1 = 0)
send {Space up}
return
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Rcontrol::F8
RShift::F5
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The script should be removed from tus forums.
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This is the code of the file, and no, it's not a simple remap.
A simple remap would be like the bottom where it shows:
Rcontrol::F8
RShift::F5
this code seems to imply that it artificially removes delays between key presses.
you could just mash your head on CTRL/ALT/Win and it would look like perfect taps.
Well, i don't understand what are these codes, just say if it's cheat or not ?
I'd say it's cheat, yea, since it's not a simple remap.
Are u serious ?
Doc. - When you fk girls - ok, boys - you gay.
Mr. - I dont undestad what it means, just tell me, Im gay?
Doc. - Yes, you are, since you start to fk boys.
Mr. - Are u serious?
I remember it from 1 magazine
Funny gay, ops guy*.
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lol, check my taps now, first try with it + I play under other keys usually
and true! you can keep pressed one space and other still works! I have been looking for this solution for my whole fr carrer xD
imo it shouldn't be allowed as it changes possibilities of game, normaly when your space is pressed down, it won't react anymore until it gets up, here it works, so I'm asking, where is timing? Check his video, he presses spaces like mad, without any thinking how he wants it to work, it makes game easier for shadows and scrolls (one of the most important things in rope!)
I hope users of this program will get banned and this program will be not allowed, treat like uwt or other shits like silkworm.
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WTF. That's ridiculous Maciej.
It takes away something that takes many years to learn. When scrolling at speed, there is difficult timing involved. To stop the worm hitting the roof or to avoid sliding.
This means you can pretty much guarantee a safe run through any horizontal passage.
I can imagine many frustrated ropers would download this to 'try' and then not be able to put it down afterwards.
This is not a good thing for the worms roping community.
Let's get rid of this thing as soon as possible.
:<
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hum Cue? I guess you took me wrong, it was an sarcasm, I'm not going to use any cheat! and I'm following to quick ban all cheaters around there!
and I agree, agree and one more agree with you Cue! I have been always wondering how the way these all pro tapers (like Sniper now, or MsC before) get on well with FR after 2 months of playing, while it took me 3 years + other 3 years with 1 classic finger technique to get on well with arrows! Now I see, they just press spaces like mads, without care about timing. I'm sure MrE used the similar way.
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hum Cue? I guess you took me wrong, it was an sarcasm, I'm not going to use any cheat! and I'm following to quick ban all cheaters around there!
No, I understood your sarcasm. I was talking generally about the script. I know how you feel about this issue don't you worry :P
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Yeh, we always say that roping is all about timing, with this script you don't have to learn timing, because your space will react anyway :D
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oh , i started this
DEATH TO THE CHEATERS!!! XDD
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and funny thing that sniper is acting like... "FU FU FU UF, nothing will happen to me cos that" well iam almost sure it wont xD
nice sniper u r really awesome, dork
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sometimes when I check the forum I think that only nino and Camper are the only normal zillians lol
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and funny thing that sniper is acting like... "FU FU FU UF, nothing will happen to me cos that" well iam almost sure it wont xD
nice sniper u r really awesome, dork
Rofllll xD
Nah, I'm calm because this is not cheat any can do it with a
good kb without or low delay, i won't waste money with one,
so careful with the words.
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lies, it is not same as a good keyboard.
THATS CHEAT.
i undestand ur point anyway, u dont have money to buy an ice cream, imagine a good KB.
poor lil slave xD
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xD ahahaha
today we allow this, tomorrow we allow macros.
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and funny thing that sniper is acting like... "FU FU FU UF, nothing will happen to me cos that" well iam almost sure it wont xD
nice sniper u r really awesome, dork
Rofllll xD
Nah, I'm calm because this is not cheat any can do it with a
good kb without or low delay, i won't waste money with one,
so careful with the words.
careful of what , that program u use is cheat , is not like keychanger , it give u more advantages , cheater
im gonna call u cheater for the rest of my wormlife xDDDDDDD
xD ahahaha
today we allow this, tomorrow we allow macros.
yep xDD
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Ok, Maciej sent me a link to this topic 3 times or more, so I feel like I have to say something ;D
First, I tried that script and can't say I started to rope better. And it's not cuz I use it already, I don't (see the video below).
Second, SnipeR's roping haven't impressed me. Cue's is 100x better for example ;)
Third, I understand feelings of people who practiced fr for ages, but we can't do smth with ropers who use such scripts. Bad news, now every one can say I use something like it, because when I'm warmed I tap pretty fast ::)
I would say "Relax & don't take it too seriously", but probably most of you will answer "Try to play leagues, nlF nab, and you'll see how much it sux to lose to `cheaters`" ;D
Oh, and here is a video of my froping mentioned above (ahk script is short: .::space ,::space):
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so far zippos the only one ive seen to use this well. which probably means everyone else can get pretty good at it if they wanted. Either ban the program or upload it so everyone can use it :D
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And that's the whole problem.. How would we ban it? We wouldn't know if anyone's using stuff like this. SnipeR made it pretty obvious but I think if someone slows down his tapping just a bit it would look like normal tapping, except with higher accuracy.
There's no Punkbuster for WA, sadly. :(
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Ok, I tried this script and I'm pretty sure I could finger roll well in a week of intensive practice. I tried FR before with simple remapping before and this script makes it 10x easier.
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Maybe Cybershadow would find a way to detect it by looking at replays?
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And that's the whole problem.. How would we ban it? We wouldn't know if anyone's using stuff like this. SnipeR made it pretty obvious but I think if someone slows down his tapping just a bit it would look like normal tapping, except with higher accuracy.
There's no Punkbuster for WA, sadly. :(
i have not watched this game, at work now, it seems to me when the rope is shot using this program it connects faster to the wall/ceiling. Not talking about taps, just a single rope shot. not sure how you would regulate it tho xD
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its not that hard to see who uses this script actually;o i have been wondering some guys roping and this explains it. and yea this script gives huge advantage for roping. scrolling is dämn much easier cus u will get totally same taps everytime. wont be easy to change to normal fr after this script prolly
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even if everyone agreed to ban this,
it seems impossible without a way to detect it.
people will just lie
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even if everyone agreed to ban this,
it seems impossible without a way to detect it.
people will just lie
Everybody lies.
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even if everyone agreed to ban this,
it seems impossible without a way to detect it.
people will just lie
Everybody lies.
I don't. Oops. :D
And that's the whole problem.. How would we ban it? We wouldn't know if anyone's using stuff like this. SnipeR made it pretty obvious but I think if someone slows down his tapping just a bit it would look like normal tapping, except with higher accuracy.
There's no Punkbuster for WA, sadly. :(
i have not watched this game, at work now, it seems to me when the rope is shot using this program it connects faster to the wall/ceiling. Not talking about taps, just a single rope shot. not sure how you would regulate it tho xD
It doesn't connect faster, no. It just happens to be a fact that if you press 2 keys which are both spaces at the same time, the second one won't react until you release the first one. That's got nothing to do with keylock, it's a logical thing. This script deletes this kind of delay, so you can just mash all the spaces you have and tap like REALLY fast without having to worry about timing. That's what the script does. :)
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guys my opnion about this is.. dont have nothing of impressionant about use or not fr.. i always used original space, and i can assure myself.
like staik said.. " random00 is 100x better " haha XD srry sniper ... haha jkjk.. i trust in my clanmates.. but.. i prefer an original player than a modified player =P
idc if u use fr / cheater or whatever..
i challenge n1 here ;) for a real roper match.
i trust in my taco !
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even if everyone agreed to ban this,
it seems impossible without a way to detect it.
people will just lie
Everybody lies.
the fact that this script helps alot wont change jaja
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yeh, like Guaton and Darkz clearly said, keychanger just make you more comfortable but it's still the same worms logic, but this script allow you to control tap much much easier, because you don't care about lock
Users of this (cheaters) should be banned, and challanges times by Statik removes if he uses this shit too.
I hope if someone would talk with CyberShadow, and show him the topic, he is the man, he would do something with it.
Just think about league, the cheater gets easier way to win, simply check this game, 10-year-experienced Random beaten by newbie cheater, it sucks!
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yeh, like Guaton and Darkz clearly said, keychanger just make you more comfortable but it's still the same worms logic, but this script allow you to control tap much much easier, because you don't care about lock
Users of this (cheaters) should be banned, and challanges times by Statik removes if he uses this shit too.
I hope if someone would talk with CyberShadow, and show him the topic, he is the man, he would do something with it.
Just think about league, the cheater gets easier way to win, simply check this game, 10-year-experienced Random beaten by newbie cheater, it sucks!
shortly = normal fr doesnt give any advantages compared to 1 finger. but this script gives
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yeh, like Guaton and Darkz clearly said, keychanger just make you more comfortable but it's still the same worms logic, but this script allow you to control tap much much easier, because you don't care about lock
Users of this (cheaters) should be banned, and challanges times by Statik removes if he uses this shit too.
I hope if someone would talk with CyberShadow, and show him the topic, he is the man, he would do something with it.
Just think about league, the cheater gets easier way to win, simply check this game, 10-year-experienced Random beaten by newbie cheater, it sucks!
shortly = normal fr doesnt give any advantages compared to 1 finger. but this script gives
True, and every advantage = cheat, because there are not same chances for both!
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Just think about league, the cheater gets easier way to win, simply check this game, 10-year-experienced Random beaten by newbie cheater, it sucks!
I ost this game mainly because I sucked.
Nevertheless there should be something done against this. It's cheating in my opinion and thus forbidden in tus games.
I sent a PM to MonkeyIsand about this topic directly after the game and there's still no reaction at all. That's what makes me more sad.
There will always be some idiots who don't understand the concept of sportmanship and try anything to win, but I dont wanna be part of a community where you can cheat without any consequences... no matter how much advantage the cheating gives you.
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Just think about league, the cheater gets easier way to win, simply check this game, 10-year-experienced Random beaten by newbie cheater, it sucks!
There will always be some idiots who don't understand the concept of sportmanship and try anything to win, but I dont wanna be part of a community where you can cheat without any consequences... no matter how much advantage the cheating gives you.
i f@#!ing agree
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Im pretty sure MI is consulting with the rest of the mods on how to solve this sensitive topic, and will come back with a final and worked out statement when it is ready. Wouldn`t be sad just yet random
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Im pretty sure MI is consulting with the rest of the mods on how to solve this sensitive topic, and will come back with a final and worked out statement when it is ready. Wouldn`t be sad just yet random
Exactly, I'm 99% sure there's a discussion going between the mods. :)
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yeh, like Guaton and Darkz clearly said, keychanger just make you more comfortable but it's still the same worms logic, but this script allow you to control tap much much easier, because you don't care about lock
Users of this (cheaters) should be banned, and challanges times by Statik removes if he uses this shit too.
I hope if someone would talk with CyberShadow, and show him the topic, he is the man, he would do something with it.
Just think about league, the cheater gets easier way to win, simply check this game, 10-year-experienced Random beaten by newbie cheater, it sucks!
Cmon, I said above I've never used this shit. Don't make a mess :-X
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he is ;) I talked with him ;)
I believe together with CS they will find solution :-[
@ ah you don't Statik, I see now, sorry for that!
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Just delete his league stats, and after we will see who keep use that script.
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zilians...and lol zippo uses it too, well everyone already knew i think.
iam f@#!ing ashamed :(
Just delete his league stats, and after we will see who keep use that script.
ye and send him a good keyboard then he can stop that..dont forget the bomb please xD
"ohh a package....oh a brand new KB ill stop cheat....BOOOOOOOOOOOM"
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Ban the use of keychange and remaping tools, BAM problem solved, no one can fr with multiple keys anymore. I can tell who is using fr with multiple keys and who is not. Don't be such f@#!ing noobs and learn how to tap with 1 finger.
If you finger rollers have a problem with that then shut the f@#! up about this program. You're all equally lame in my eyes.
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I'll try play with 1 finger now.
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What Anubis said before doesn't really apply... even with the most sensitive kb (damn I really want one of those flat screens), you can't keep space held down and then press it with your other finger and still have it register, it's part of the game logic to not have that allowed.
I think we should make a list of rules for acceptable keyboard configurations, if only for the sake of new wormers who have no idea what is and isn't allowed. If I have some time, I'll get started on that today actually.
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And people should give SnipeR a little brake here as well, he`s 14, he is just a kid.
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No shit, and hes doing nothing wrong. Nothng more wrong then the average finger roller bitching at him,
He continued using the script for a bit even after this thread came up and it was declared cheating. That's reason enough to be 'bitching at him' imo.
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And people should give SnipeR a little brake here as well, he`s 14, he is just a kid.
SnipeR??? The son of Zippo!!! neva!!
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The majority of people in this thread do.
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His taps are more accurate because he doesn't need to time them well. I doubt he'd be able to tap any accurate without that script. :) That's what's different.
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Dub is just jealous hater who claims every kind of finger roll is cheat, because he is not skilled enough and too lazy to learn it. Don't listen for him ;)
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His taps are more accurate because he doesn't need to time them well. I doubt he'd be able to tap any accurate without that script. :) That's what's different.
Just like finger rollers cant tap well with one finger?
I roped with 1 finger for years, I'm out of shape now but when I was at my peak I remember I reached 14 taps per sec, twitching. Good old tap-o-meter. :P
Don't jump to conclusions!
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lmfao maciej, dub with 1 finger taps better and faster than u with 2 xD
and dub thats cheat, sniper is trying the faster way to be pr0 lol, if he wants to use fr np, like maciej, but this script is shit.
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lol dub. this script makes roping easier/safer, fr not
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I'm really not going to read through what everyone said here. :D I'll just say this: whoever uses cheat to get better in a game like Worms is a f@#!ing lifeless pathetic loser. ;D PLAY FOR f@#!'S SAKE THIS IS A GAME WHERE YOU SHOOT BAZOOKAS WITH WORMS Z0MFG!!!44
Play however you want, twitch, fingerroll, whatever, but I don't understand this stupid conversation about "no, fr is pr0" "no, twitch is pr0" BLABLA especially from Maciej, omg, since the first time I ever met you you were saying fr all the time like the kid who gets a new toy and puts it into every conversation that comes up :D OKAY WE UNDERSTAND NOONE CARES OKAY??? XDDD
And about the cheaters: use whatever script, macro, NASA computer you want, as long as you are trying to speed up your development of rope skills, you simply skip important steps in the way and you will never ever be a good roper. Not to mention that people will laugh at you because that is just pathetic. Be a man and start learning the rope instead of mashing your keyboard with your thumb in your ass saying "PORRA ME GOOD ROPE"
wow this message brought the anger out of me xD have fun reading :D
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What Anubis said before doesn't really apply... even with the most sensitive kb (damn I really want one of those flat screens), you can't keep space held down and then press it with your other finger and still have it register, it's part of the game logic to not have that allowed.
I think we should make a list of rules for acceptable keyboard configurations, if only for the sake of new wormers who have no idea what is and isn't allowed. If I have some time, I'll get started on that today actually.
You are right there, that even the latest keyboard technology doesn't allow that, it depends on the environment though (OS, Program or Game). For example the "1", you can press "1" and Numpad "1" at the same time down, it will show "11" You see it's not really anything new. Windows itself allows it already.
I am NOT saying SnipeR is entitled to use that script because indeed it is an improvement to anyone who doesn't use it, if anything it should be available to everyone, just like remapping your keys is available to everyone. W:A is simply lacking customization in controls. I mean look farther than W:A, all games allow customization and that said "script" works in many games on its own, and, as proven above even on stupid Windows! Sometimes this whole tapping discussion really go too far and are generally over reacting in my opinion. I have tapped in many ways, I am open minded to enhance my experience and the last I think about is to have an advantage but simply more comfort, I shared most of my modding experience on my little own site I had years ago. Can't quite remember the URL but it was hosted by CBC/CBS and DarkOne held his tourneys there. Because in my opinion if everyone gets a fast and reliable keyboard it means more and better competition, it shows what the player is capable of without boundaries. I don't encourage automated space bar presses, such as you press once and get 2 space bar presses out of it, that's not right. Instead of wasting hundreds of dollars for ultra fast touchscreen keyboards I rather spend 1 or 2 hours modding my keyboard to try to come close. Sometimes this reminds me of the Amish lol. I want to live in the city with all it's improvements and others want to live like the Amish in the woods. That's fine though, each to it's own.
I encourage your initiative about what is right and wrong, though something like this shouldn't be classified, again I wanna remind you that this is an input device, such as an input device can not be considered wrong/right in any way IF you wanna stay objective! Just like an output device can not be right/wrong. Input and output devices do not alternate the game engine, they do not do anything that is not allowed by the game itself (or else it would not work lol). If W:A didn't allow 1680x1050 I couldn't use it, but I can. If Worms would not support 2 Space Bars, it wouldn't work, but it does. In fact Worms would allow a million space bar keys.
Just a little picture of a common 2 Spacebar keyboard manufacture.
(http://www.gayakuman.com/uploads/2008/10/steelseries-zboard-limited-edition-wotlk-01.jpg)
Keyboards are very complex today, they have inbuilt macros, touchscreens, card reader music players, USB Hubs and what not. They are generally to enhance your experience while working or gaming on your pc, and the gaming industry has accepted this long time ago. The majority, if not ALL latest games allow macros nowadays. It's a quality of life improvement.
In W:A the input device is a way to perform better, games in general scale with the quality of input (and output if sound for example matters) device you have. There are keyboard/Mouse that improve the quality of your gameplay, enhance it or make it more comfortable. Though I understand that this thematic is very sensitive for many people. It always has been, but the technology improves on a daily pattern, I would be very mad if we were still stuck on 1024x768 resolution and even if I were due to my bad PC or screen I wouldn't claim everyone who can use 2560x1440 and have a way better overview of the map is being lame. It's because he wanted more quality just like someone wants more quality with a better keyboard. You see where I am coming from?
Would like to know what you others think though, this is just my view.
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Be a man and start learning the rope
LMFAO GOOD ONE! xD
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This game is over 10 years old. And many people have been playing it that long. You shouldn't need to download mods and enhance your input device to extreme levels to compete.
This game's beautiful roping engine is a totally different experience to anything else. It's all about the practice and the training over a long period of time.
It's not about the input device. As long as it's comfortable and usable. That's all the enhancement required imo.
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This game is over 10 years old. And many people have been playing it that long. You shouldn't need to download mods and enhance your input device to extreme levels to compete.
This game's beautiful roping engine is a totally different experience to anything else. It's all about the practice and the training over a long period of time.
It's not about the input device. As long as it's comfortable and usable. That's all the enhancement required imo.
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I agree with the download mods, but I do not agree with the input device. Some people play games for fun, other want to be able to play 100% of their capabilities. And there is nothing wrong with it, I am not telling my clan mates to buy a better kb when they fail so much, it's their decision. Many people would be better with different keyboards, there is a reason why people buy new keyboards, to get better. If some want to relay on unreliable keyboards, they can I won't throw stones in their way but I don't want to blame my keyboard for my failure. In your viewpoint (enhancing keyboard shouldn't be necessary) everyone that has a keylock shouldn't feel the need to remap to a more comfortable solution. And what is any different than a keylock and an unreliable space bar?
For me personally a reliable keyboard means more creativity since my actions are performed exactly at the time I pressed the key, I don't feel the need to calculate the way it takes from my brain to the keyboard is a way to measure skill. If at all it means that you got used to the delay you have, which is easily removable.
It's like people that got used to a 100ms Ping in Ego Shooter, I can't see people moaning about people that have a very fast connection that they are being lame. If you want less delay. Just do it! If you feel like your okay with the delay you have, fine so be it. But don't force others to be okay with it when it's technically possible to reduce the lag/delay without alternating the game engine at all. In the case of Internet lag: Get a better Internet connection, in the case of tap delay: get a better keyboard or sit down and think of a solution.
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Yeah, a working keyboard. No key lock. USB connection. Comfortable, modern etc. These are all musts for a serious roper.
There becomes a point where it goes beyond optimising your input device and into the realms of cheating.
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for example the use of macros?
with scripts, u can have any number of rope shots for 1 press of spacebar, and that to me is cheating.
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Yeah, a working keyboard. No key lock. USB connection. Comfortable, modern etc. These are all musts for a serious roper.
There becomes a point where it goes beyond optimising your input device and into the realms of cheating.
Would you care to explain the things that are beyond optimizing?
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lol I agree with Anubis, but there must be some boundaries of improving input devices. I'm gonna finish a roping robot soon and let it rope for me, so I will just enjoy a wonderful roping :D
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lol I agree with Anubis, but there must be some boundaries of improving input devices. I'm gonna finish a roping robot soon and let it rope for me, so I will just enjoy a wonderful roping :D
Yeah this is really the best point Kai. We do have to draw the line somewhere, we can't simply keep allowing more and more input devices whenever people start using something new, even though I do want to include as many people as possible into the non-cheating club.
I also think it's fine to minimize the effort it takes to rope/tap, but if you go too far with that thinking, it can ruin the game and make things too easy, and most of us love worms for the challenging skill sets we can develop. For finger rolling at least, we've already gone plenty far enough by allowing two spaces to be used. And that still requires some timing, at least avoiding pressing both buttons at the same time. This macro eliminates the timing needed for a quick one-two tap, which can take a long time to develop. And since a lot of people have already invested that time, I think at this point it would be unfair to them to allow something like this to be legal.
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I know Mab, and I fully agree that this script should not be supported in W:A. The only thing that concerns me is that you may develop an anti futuristic view for keyboards. I mean you have seen all the things that are currently too expansive or too rare, but I remember back in 2000 the ultra flat keyboards were still very rare and many keyboards were still immense in weight and size. In the upcoming years we will most likely see more of this touchscreen keyboards especially when price drops. So you should at least have an open door for new technology.
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Ban the use of keychange and remaping tools, BAM problem solved, no one can fr with multiple keys anymore. I can tell who is using fr with multiple keys and who is not. Don't be such f@#!ing noobs and learn how to tap with 1 finger.
If you finger rollers have a problem with that then shut the f@#! up about this program. You're all equally lame in my eyes.
wa was made for one space bar, fr on one space sounds like a challenge but two spaces? dah.
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In my view, in league games should be allowed to use any software designed to modify. I met not only with the rope but also to hysterii (eg when LG turns away from the touch immediately) or also from the host without your consent run light and go to the game. this shit......
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...also to hysterii (eg when LG turns away from the touch immediately) or also from the host without your consent run light and go to the game. this shit......
eh?
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r3spect did you forget a "not" in that statement or are you retarded? You choose!
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I'm really not going to read through what everyone said here. :D I'll just say this: whoever uses cheat to get better in a game like Worms is a f@#!ing lifeless pathetic loser. ;D PLAY FOR f@#!'S SAKE THIS IS A GAME WHERE YOU SHOOT BAZOOKAS WITH WORMS Z0MFG!!!44
Play however you want, twitch, fingerroll, whatever, but I don't understand this stupid conversation about "no, fr is pr0" "no, twitch is pr0" BLABLA especially from Maciej, omg, since the first time I ever met you you were saying fr all the time like the kid who gets a new toy and puts it into every conversation that comes up :D OKAY WE UNDERSTAND NOONE CARES OKAY??? XDDD
And about the cheaters: use whatever script, macro, NASA computer you want, as long as you are trying to speed up your development of rope skills, you simply skip important steps in the way and you will never ever be a good roper. Not to mention that people will laugh at you because that is just pathetic. Be a man and start learning the rope instead of mashing your keyboard with your thumb in your ass saying "PORRA ME GOOD ROPE"
wow this message brought the anger out of me xD have fun reading :D
rofl, this message totally says what i would never explain with my bad english. Thanks ray
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Any kind of advantage that allows you to improve your rope skills and cannot be obviously detected by others shouldn't be consider as cheating. There's where I'd draw the line xD
You can't forbid something you can't prove.
I mean nobody knew for sure these Brazilian guys were cheating until now. Now we know because they're idiots and openly admitted the use of it.
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Any kind of advantage that allows you to improve your rope skills and cannot be obviously detected by others shouldn't be consider as cheating. There's where I'd draw the line xD
You can't forbid something you can't prove.
I mean nobody knew for sure these Brazilian guys were cheating until now. Now we know because they're idiots and openly admitted the use of it.
It's funny how you blame Brazil for cheating but there are lots more cheaters non-zillians here, whose don't say anything.
CHEATERS? YES. BUT AT LEAST WE ARE NOT COWARDS AND LIERS.
This you have to agree ;)
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shut up guys, u want to learn football...
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Any kind of advantage that allows you to improve your rope skills and cannot be obviously detected by others shouldn't be consider as cheating. There's where I'd draw the line xD
You can't forbid something you can't prove.
I mean nobody knew for sure these Brazilian guys were cheating until now. Now we know because they're idiots and openly admitted the use of it.
Is this revealing now something about your now doubtful awesome roping skills? xD
shut up guys, u want to learn football...
Yea you do ;) silly double post btw
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10 pages !.. congratulations sniper.. u r the man XD
epic report.
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Any kind of advantage that allows you to improve your rope skills and cannot be obviously detected by others shouldn't be consider as cheating. There's where I'd draw the line xD
You can't forbid something you can't prove.
I mean nobody knew for sure these Brazilian guys were cheating until now. Now we know because they're idiots and openly admitted the use of it.
Is this revealing now something about your now doubtful awesome roping skills? xD
shut up guys, u want to learn football...
Yea you do ;) silly double post btw
silly is this 10 pages...